J Tanners Statement 10th
919 to 931
Witness statement of Jane M. Tanner 2007.05.10
932 Consent for mouth swab for Jane M. Tanner
TRANSLATION BY ALBYM
4-Processo. Vol IV; page 919 to 932
AUTO examination of witnesses
Date diligence: 2007/05/10 Time: 16h35m
Name: Jane Michelle Tanner
Natural Town: England County: England
Nationality: English Date of birth: 1971 /**/**
Marital Status: Domestic Partnership Occupation:
Since she is English and does not understand the
Portuguese language, neither spoken nor written,
this official document was made with a
translator, Fi.Ma.da Co.Si. in attendance.
She met her companion/husband about 10/11 years
ago having begun to live with him as his wife a
short time after.
About 4 years before, through her companion ROB,
who at that time was a colleague of GM (Gerry;
father of MBM), she met the McCann couple. One
of the reasons for the closeness between the two
couples, besides the professional acquaintance,
both ROB and GM are medical doctors, was the
fact they have children, MBM and El.OB, of
approximately the same age. Another very
important reason was the fact that FP is a
common friend of both couples (FP worked with
KHM), she having facilitated the relationship.
As for meeting with the McCanns she said
sporadic meetings have already occurred between
the group, recalling that the first trip they
made together was when FP and DP were married in
Italy in August 2003. She thinks that all the
people in the present group were at the wedding
recalling that the McCanns, at that time, had
only one child (the missing MBM).
Since she became a mother (of El.OB, almost 4
years old), she went to Italy to the above
wedding; to Germany to visit a friend (a former
colleague of ROB, named B.D. - she was a trainee
at the place where her husband worked in
England). Also she went to Australia in Nov/Dec
2006 for six weeks. On that trip she went with
only her companion and the two girls.
In May 2005 she was in Greece for one week with
ROB and her daughter. It was the first time they
travelled using the Mark Warner agency.
Also they had had holidays in England in August
2004 (Cornwall) and April 2006 (Longleat nature
reserve). Those holidays were spent solely with
DP and FP, and their respective children.
With the McCanns they began to meet at parties,
for example weddings and birthdays. She met KH's
mother, whose name she does not recall, on MBM's
third birthday last year, but she didn't get to
know any of the other McCann family members,
knowing that both had siblings but not knowing
This was the first time that all four couples
had holidayed together.
She knows that, in Sept 2005, the McCanns and
the Paynes holidayed together in Majorca, she
[and ROB] not having joined them because of her
advanced state of pregnancy.
The deponent was in Portugal three time before.
The first was some eight years ago and the the
second five years ago, both with her husband in
Albufeira and both were holidays. The third time
in January 2004 was for work near Vilamoura. She
came to organise an event for the company where
she worked, "Fisher Sientific" in Leicester.
Asked about her private life she said that she
[has] never had marital problems with her
companion, saying that she believes it is "100%"
at all levels.
As for the professional life of GM, that he is a
cardiologist, and of her companion ROB, that he
works/specialises in 'Emergencies' [and] said
that her husband [has] never had any
disciplinary or criminal action in relation to
About GM, on this subject she does not knows if
he had any problem at any time.
FP and DP were the people who had the idea to
come to Portugal for holidays. They chose the
time because it was cheaper, and less heat for
the children. They took only one week of
holiday, where they intended to return home/to
work on the last Saturday and Tuesday,
respectively. Monday was a public holiday in UK.
They caught the plane directly from Gatwick to
Faro at 08:30 on 28 May 2007. The agency that
organised it was Mark Warner. They arrived at
Faro airport at 10:00. They went to the "Ocean
Club" tourist complex in Praia da Luz-Lagos in a
Mark Warner bus. The journey was made with her
companion and daughters together with the
Oldfield couple, Matthew and Rachael, along with
As for the Payne and McCann couples, they
journeyed by plane from East Midlands to Faro,
having arrived around 11h00. They took a taxi
from Faro to Luz arriving at 12h00 also on 28
On the plane they did not know anyone specific,
allowing, as usual, for someone with children to
have introduced [themselves] and made some
comment. On the other hand, she recalls one
couple on the plane who changed seats because
her girls were making a lot of noise, which is
normal because, like all kids, they are very
On arrival the rooms were already assigned,
[they] having asked, when buying the holiday in
England, to stay in apartments close to one
another. The only change needed was, due to the
children, the flights at different times as said
As for the holidays, on the first day (Saturday,
28 April 2007) they had dinner in the complex,
making their way to Restaurant Millenium. No-one
booked dinner at that restaurant, all, including
the children, having gone for dinner around
The Millenium used to serve dinner on other days
(except Saturday) only from 19:30 and, for this
reason, they decided to start dining at the
Tapas, seeing that, in addition to the above,
they would be closer to the apartments. This was
discussed at the table in the Millenium on the
Dinner was taken at the Tapas in order to be
closer to the apartments where the children were
At first dinner was booked each day having later
been diarised as a permanent booking for 20h30
until the end of the stay.
It is normal (culturally, traditionally,
education/examples seen) [for] English tourists
to leave, for some time, their small children
alone in the bedroom/apartment to sleep while
the parents are absent, normally guaranteeing
that it is done for short periods of time (15/30
minutes). At those times there is a sporadic
check, in time, of the places where the children
She admitted that on her holiday in Greece she
also left her daughters alone in the apartment
knowing that there were two or three
child-minders in the block where they stayed to
take care of/ascertain the noises (screams,
cries, or other), [it being] incumbent upon [the
minders] to notify the parents who, meanwhile,
were absent. Those holidays were also organised
by Mark Warner.
Since it was asked of her, she affirmed that she
had no knowledge that the McCanns had left the
patio sliding door open, suspecting, however,
that they did because she saw, several times,
the couple climb the steps at the rear of the
apartment. She never entered apartments of other
couples limiting herself only to listen for any
noise, putting her ear to the children's bedroom
window at the front of the apartment. Only with
her own children did she enter the apartment, in
all others she limited herself to listen at the
doors to see if there was any noise. She thinks
that all the other couples entered by the front
doors of the building/apartments, except for the
McCanns. She is not sure if they always entered
the apartment from the rear.
Questioned, she relates that, from memory, she
always saw the blinds of the McCann apartment
totally closed, it being a place where she
placed her ear to know if any of them were
Personally, in relation to her daughters, she
has not habitually adopted this posture, namely,
to leave them alone, having done it only because
all the couples of the group did it. However she
locked all the doors, also the external blind of
the children's bedroom.
As for the security methods effected by the
adults in relation to the children, when they
went to dinner and the children remained
sleeping in the apartments, the deponent
clarifies that, in the first days each couple
went in rotation to check their own children. As
days passed they were asking one of the members
who had stood up if they had heard any noise at
However, the deponent and her husband maintained
regular checks on their own children.
They were always on foot, having no motor
vehicle, own or rented. Movements were never far
as the group always remained in the complex or
its surrounds (the beach or supermarket).
Activities were in Praia da Luz and organised by
In the tourist complex last Sunday, 30 April,
she net a copule she knew from Exeter, Jim and
C. G., with their son of 20 months, B.G. She
knew they had travelled on the same day as her,
on a different flight. Asked, she relates that
they had a hired car, not knowing the brand,
model or colour. He (Jim) liked to surf and that
was why he had hired the car.
Not untrusting, she never suspected that anyone
might do harm to any of the children, never
having observed any [such] behaviour by clients,
workers or other people with [either] the group
Of the group only DP and FP knew/had been to her
home at the above address in Exeter. None of the
other group members had ever been to her home.
About 2 May, the day before the disappearance of
MBM, from memory, at 09h00 the deponent had a
tennis lesson with Kate.
Every day they had breakfast at the Millenium
restaurant and only afterwards did they take the
children, on foot, to Kids Club, it being that
ROB took El to Mini Club and she took Ev.
Questioned about the route that the McCanns took
with their children to Kids Club (since they
took breakfast in the apartment), she said she
did not know.
At 10h10 the children at Kids Club, her daughter
El (and MBM), a total on six children including
them, also had a tennis lesson. The responsible
adults at the time were Cat and Georgina (tennis
instructor). Kate was, together with the
deponent, watching the lesson of their
respective girls. The witness left before the
class ended, not recalling if KM left at the
same time or later.
She went to the beach where she met DP and FP.
She and other members of the group made the
acquaintance of, in the course of their tennis
classes, a lady called O., the deponent's
husband, ROB, also knew the lady's husband named
Rob from windsurf classes. The couple (Rob and
O.) were also guests at the complex. That
morning, after having been to her daughter's
tennis class, the deponent went to the beach
meeting Rob there. From what she knows, the
couple Rob and O. have two children (a girl of 3
years and a younger child, not knowing if it was
a boy or girl). She thinks they were Londoners.
They were "normal" people.
While she was sailing, her husband stayed at
home with Ev who was sick and indisposed.
Questioned, she relates that this type of
behaviour is normal with the British, namely, it
is not necessary for both adults to sacrifice
themselves when children are sick. The usual
procedure in these situations is for them to
divide the time and the tasks between them.
She recalls that after the boat trip she was
with her husband and girls, all having gone to
lunch at the apartment of FP and DP. She is not
sure but thinks that MO and RMO also lunched
with them in the apartment. She does not know
where the McCanns lunched.
After lunch, after they took El to Kids Club,
ROB went to the beach for a canoe class while
she rested in the bedroom with Ev. After her
daughter woke up she went with her to the
children's play area ("slides") next to the
She doesn't remember, but as GM usually had
tennis classes every afternoon, she thinks that
he could have been on the court. As for KM, she
does not know if she saw her during the
As usual at 17:00, they were at the children's
tea with Kate, the time at which they would go
to find [pick up] the children. With Kate and
Gerry she went to the tennis courts where the
adults and children of the group played
[seriously] and played [for fun], respectively,
with each other. They were at the courts until
19h00. At that time the men of the group (though
she was not sure if GM was there) stayed a while
longer to play tennis, the women went to their
respective apartments to get [the children]
ready for bed. 20-30 minutes later the men
arrived. They got themselves ready for dinner.
At 20h35, as El didn't want to sleep, ROB went
to the restaurant alone. Around 20h45, El fell
asleep and the deponent also left for the
restaurant. When she arrived everyone else was
already there, except for Rachael who was
feeling poorly and stayed in her apartment. Her
husband, MO, was at the restaurant. She doesn't
recall if DP and FP were already there. It is
usual for them to always be last to arrive,
since they were always late.
About dinner, she relates that nothing abnormal
happened regarding the checking of the bedrooms,
it having been done in turns as usual.
Questioned about an episode where she related
that one of the twins, Sean, and MBM (both
children of GM and KH), had cried in the night
(the one prior to the events) she said she knew
of that situation but only from the beginning of
dinner on 3 May when KH commented at the table
that MBM had, that morning, asked the reason why
her parents had not come to the bedroom when she
and her brother had cried (the previous night).
Asked, she says that none of the adults were
aware of that situation on the night that it
On Wednesday (2 May), after the dinner that went
as normal, like the previous days, they had
stayed later to have a drink at the bar
returning to their apartments close to midnight.
As for 3 May she related in the same manner
exactly the same activities/routines/times of
that day, as had been described in her previous
testimony. The times/intervals were exhaustively
Requested to clarify certain details she said:
To confirm that the first time that she went to
the beach with the children was 3 May in the
morning. Only on 3 May (Thursday) afternoon she
met the group, almost all, in Prais da Luz,
except for the McCanns because they had a
private tennis class together.
Around 17h15 she saw KH "jogging" on the beach,
having waved [a hand].
Her husband ROB, MO and DP left the beach a
little earlier they having gone to the tennis
courts, it was the night of the men's tennis.
When she, together with the friends and
children, returned from the beach, at 18h20,
they went to the tennis courts having seen that
all the men, including GM, were on the court.
They stayed to talk to them them for about 20/30
minutes. GM comported himself as usual.
She thinks that KH was in the apartment getting
the children ready for bed.
Around 19h00 each one went to their apartment
with the children. She bathed her daughters, she
read them a story, she put them to bed. Ev was
sick and had difficulty with sleeping stayed
with her father, who had arrived in the
meantime, (on the previous night the deponent
stayed later in the bedroom because her daughter
had difficulty in sleeping; on this night it was
her husband's turn). She left the apartment and
went to the Tapas, for dinner, around 20h30.
When she arrived at the restaurant there were
already some adult members of the group, namely
the McCanns, without their children. They [the
children] were supposedly sleeping.
Around 21h00 her husband arrived at the
restaurant, Ev, meanwhile, having fallen asleep.
As usual, the Paynes and mother, were late. A
few minutes to 21h00 MO left the restaurant and
went to the apartment area, saying that he would
'hurry up' the couple that was already late
enough. She related that MO, on the way, took
the opportunity and looked in on the children's
bedrooms. She relates that MO passed the Payne's
and DW on the way, but, benefiting from them
already being up and on their way [i.e. because
he did not have to go all the way up to their
apartment], he made a circuit to listen at the
homes, detecting nothing abnormal.
They ordered dinner and waited for the starters
when, about 21h10, GM left the restaurant having
gone to the apartment to see his children. Five
or ten minutes later the deponent left, having
gone to her apartment to check that all was well
with her girls. At that time she observed GM
talking to an English citizen called Jez that
they had met on these holidays. He played tennis
with them. She doesn't know if they saw her
giving the assurance that, on her part, she did
not start a conversation with either of them.
She passed them knowing that GM had already been
in the apartment to see the children.
She doesn't recall the position/orientation of
either Jez or GM while they spoke to each other
on the street, only having the perception that
one was on the pavement and the other was in the
road next to the other. Jez had a baby carriage,
the deponent knowing that he had a small child.
Prompted, she clarified that the reason she
left, following GM only 5/10 minutes later, she
relates that she did it because she knew that he
would only go to his apartment, reiterating that
she checked her daughters regularly.
Questioned about the path she took on the way to
her home, she relates that she left the
reception at the entrance to the Tapas/pool area
and went up the pavement to the corner, having
entered the apartment by the front door, which
was, as already stated, locked. The only access
to the interior of the home is by that door,
seeing that the windows and the sliding patio
door to the lounge were locked from the inside,
it being this way that they are only passable if
they are opened, also from the inside.
Asked [about] the route of GM to his home when
he went to check on his children, she relates
that she does not know, but that she knows that
he, at times, accessed the home by the glass
lounge door which was only closed but not
locked. She explains that this was the easiest
and fastest way to enter the McCann apartment as
they have a stairway up to the veranda which is
next to the pavement, saving thereby half [the
distance of] the route. Questioned, she relates
that all the couples had to access their
respective apartments by the front door, except
the McCanns since they were the only ones who
left the glass door unlocked.
Prompted to say if she checked the state of the
windows and external blinds of the McCann
children's bedroom when she went to her house,
she relates that no, she did not look in that
direction, hence they might already have been
open without her having noticed.
After having gone to see the child she returned
to the restaurant. On her return GM was no
longer talking where she had seen him.
When she arrived at the restaurant GM was
already seated at the table accompanied by his
wife KH and all the others.
Between 15 to 20 minutes later her husband ROB
and MO left, together, and went to see their
respective children. As her daughter Ev was
restless and crying ROB stayed in the bedroom.
Meanwhile, MO went to check his children and
those of GM and KH. According to what he said,
he saw the twins but he did not see MBM probably
because he did not enter the bedroom. As he
heard no noise he left presupposing that all was
well, returning to the restaurant. MO told her
that ROB had stayed in the bedroom.
After having quickly eaten the main course she
went to the apartment to take the place of her
husband so that he could finish his meal. Her
husband returned to the restaurant. Some time
later, she doesn't know precisely how long, she
looked through the lounge window towards the
restaurant area, ascertaining, strangely, that
there was no-one seated at the table it being
that it was still very early for all of them to
have already finished the meal. Later she heard
voices of KH and FP who were in the corridor in
front of the bedroom windows and who called,
desperately, for Madeleine. When she saw her it
was KH herself who told the deponent that
Madeleine had disappeared, not clarifying in
what circumstances, continuing her search. The
deponent stayed in her apartment because her
daughter, El, was asleep and the smallest, Ev,
was still awake and complaining.
As it was asked of her she relates that she did
not go into the McCann apartment therefore she
does not know the state of the bedroom nor any
details of what happened that night. Now,
already she had heard many versions or theories
of what could have happened, but, for her part,
she can only affirm that the man that she saw
carrying the child was, in her belief,
associated with the disappearance of MBM.
She was then confronted with the fact that when
her husband ROB and MO went to check their
respective children the window already might
have been open and MBM probably no longer in her
bed. She clarifies that she cannot answer for
them but thinks that MO had not entered the
McCann children's bedroom, limiting himself to
hear that there was no crying and that the twins
were in their beds. Asked if he couldn't have
checked for noise at the bedroom window, as had
been done many times, the deponent clarifies
that MO had assured the parents that he would go
to check the state of the children from inside
the house. For this he went up the pavement to
the main entrance of the apartments, entered
[his] house and turned to leave, descended the
pavement again to the rear entrance of the
McCann flat, climbed the steps and accessed the
lounge through the glass door (that was not
locked). Anyway, a better understanding of these
details can only be provided by MO himself.
Confronted with the information that the
[tracker] dog teams had followed/followed the
scent trails in which, purportedly, MBM had not
passed the intersection where she indicated a
man carried a child, she affirmed, immediately,
that she was not lying, maintaining the honesty
of her initial version. That, indeed, there had
passed in front of her a man carrying, in his
arms, a barefoot child. At the time she had not
paid him much attention because it is common, at
the OC, for children to pass in the arms of
their parents between the creche and their
respective homes, when they have collected them
from the baby-sitting service. Only it was
strange that the child had no cover (blanket)
and the way the man walked, rapidly, and how he
was dressed, the trousers were slightly wide
their entire length, being straight. They
(trousers) were as to colour, identical to "corticine"
(a type of floor covering), "chino" [Chinese]
style. As for the coat it was dark coloured, she
was not able to specify what, seeming to be the
same material as the trousers, it being a type
of "anorak". As for the footwear she relates
that she cannot confirm with certainty but [they
were] shoes with a Slight "heel".
About the description of the child, she
confirmed that it was being carried in his arms,
with the legs in her direction and barefoot. She
thought that it was a female child because the
pyjamas were a light colour (seemingly pink to
her). She never saw the hair of the child. She
never saw it move nor make any sound, thinking
that it was asleep.
Subsequently, she had no doubts that it could
have been MBM because, through conversations
with FP in which [FP] described the pyjamas that
MBM had worn that night, which coincided with
those she had seen. Questioned why she had not
commented to KH what she had seen that night,
namely that she had seen a male individual who
carried a child with pink pyjamas, she relates
that she always avoided making this comment to
the McCanns so as not to torture them more in
She swore "by everything most sacred" that what
she said is true, namely that she saw an
individual with a child in his arms. Confronted,
she demonstrated the distance at which the man
with the child had passed her, and that was
gauged to be about 5 metres.
She accepts that, at that moment, although the
event had called her attention, she didn't lay
any great stress on it for the reasons already
Regarding the most and best information that
might help the present investigation she said
she remembered on one night (she thinks it was
Tuesday, 1 May) there were two couples,
supposedly English, that dined in the Tapas
restaurant. After [their meal] they left, [JT]
not knowing if they participated in the quiz
game that Mark Warner put on during the meal.
The game consisted of a MW worker asking
questions about films, namely quotations with
the objective of identifying the films. At the
end the tables were given a questionnaire that
gave the source and a result. The first prize
was a jug of sangria, curiously won by the
deponent's table. She remembered only [that] the
agency lady commented on the the two couples who
had left the game before the final result was
She never saw those couples before nor since
that day. She does not know if they were Mark
Prompted to clarify which member of the group
booked the first dinner at Tapas she responded
that she did not know. She clarifies that, that
morning, she played tennis with Kate going, at
the end of the game, to the restaurant to make
the booking. She recalls that, when they arrived
there, the booking was already made and she had
not questioned who had made it. Asked if it
would have been her companion ROB who booked
that meal, on his own initiative, she relates
that it could have been done by any other person
but considers [someone with] an excessively
organised disposition would have done it,
[something] usual of her companion.
On these holidays, she never met nor dined
(along with the rest of the group) with any
family or person having the surname "Irwin".
Other than RMO, as already stated previously,
only on the first day (Saturday night) was there
a group member, MO, feeling indisposed (ill) and
not having eaten dinner on Sunday. On Monday he
NOTE: I excised the taking of an oral swab as
being irrelevant to the story.
Still about the security procedures relating to
the children, asked, the deponent clarifies that
the Payne's were the only ones who never went to
their apartment because they had, at the table,
an intercom device of good quality and
power/range that allowed them to hear any noise
caused by their children. She adds that, from
memory, it was the first time they had used the
device on holidays but it is a common procedure
in their home, as the deponent has seen for
Questioned, she reaffirms that she doesn't have
any suspicion to put forward - other than the
individual referred to as carrying a child in
his arms - she doesn't recall any detail or
situation that might be related to the
disappearance of small MBM.
Asked, she relates that she does
not recall any incident or argument between any
of the couples, or any of the group members
individually, nor between them and any third
parties. Until the 'unsuccessful/failed'
disappearance of MBM, the holidays had been
peaceful and fun, like all such other holidays
of the group of friends.
3992 to 3995
- Summary of Second Statement of Jane Tanner (English)
Vol XV Pages 3992 ? 3995
English, amongst the documentation presented to LP regarding
Gail Coopers sighting)
Summary of second statement of Jane Michelle Tanner (1
Known partner Russell Obrien for 10-11 years. Russell is a work
colleague of Gerald McCann. Daughters E*** and E****. E*** is 3
years old and played in creche with Madeleine.
November/December 2006 ? 6 weeks in Australia with Russell and 2
Date? Germany visiting B*** D****, colleague of Russell's.
May 2005 ? Greece Mark Warner resort.
Italy 2003 ? wedding of Paynes.
Jane Tanner has been in Portugal 3 times. Twice on holiday and
once for a week (Fisher Scientific Leicester).
Fiona and David Payne were originators of idea to holiday in
Portugal, brought together the 4 couples.
Jane Tanner and Russell Obrien flew from Gatwick on 28/4
together with Matthew Oldfield and Rachel Mampilly and children.
Mark Warner provided bus transport to resort. Apartments
allocated by Mark Warner. Saturday 28/4.
Dinner at the Millenium resort. Decided to have dinner for other
nights at Tapas bar as closer to the apartments. Initially
reserved at Tapas bar each day, subsequently advised that they
would reserve for each night at 20.30.
Never went into McCann apartment or apartments of other couples.
Only listened from outside, at window.
Remembers only seeing McCanns shutters fully closed.
Jane would not habitually leave her daughters alone, even
checking them regularly.
Only agreed as other couples were happy to do it. But always
locked doors and closed shutters of her apartment.
As days passed the couples became confident with each other and
allowed other parents in the group to check on their children
Did not rent car.
Met a couple they know from Exeter, who were in the same resort
(Praia da Luz or Ocean Club?) who had rented a car. Named as Jim
and Charlotte Gorrod and 20 month old child.
9.00 Tennis lesson by tennis coach with Kate.
Kids Club (E*** & Madeleine plus 4 other children also had a
tennis lesson. Responsible Cat and Georgina. Jane Tanner and
Kate watched kids lesson on tennis court, but left before
Jane went to beach. Met Paynes. Also met Rob (husband of Ornya)
staying at resort. Rob keen surfer. Believes from London. Jane
went sailing. Russell stayed in apartment as Evie was feeling
After lunch, Russell took E*** to Kids Club, then went for
canoeing lesson. Jane stayed in apartment with E***. Then took
E*** to play area by pool.
Teat time for children. Met Kate and Gerry.
Played with adults and children on tennis courts.
Women went to apartment with children. Men played more tennis.
Russell Obrien went to Tapas for dinner. JT stayed in apartment
with E*** who wouldn't sleep .E*** asleep. JT to Tapas.
All adults at Tapas except Rachel Mampilly, who was feeling
unwell. Her husband was at the Tapas. Paynes arrived late, as
Asked if they had heard if one of McCann twins had cried that
night, JT replied ?No?. Kate Healy had mentioned the following
night at dinner (3/5) that Madeleine had asked her that morning
(3/5) why she (Kate) had not come to her room when one of the
Adults had drinks after dinner and returned to apartment.
Confirmed that this was the first day they took their children
to the beach. Met up with other adults and children except
McCanns, who had tennis lessons.
Around 17.15 JT saw Kate Healy jogging along beach. Waved back.
Russell O'Brien, Matthew Oldfield and David Payne left beach
before others, to play tennis. Gerry McCann would join them.
Other adults and children return from beach to the Ocean Club.
18.20 hours chatted with men on tennis court. Presumed Kate
Healy was with their children in the apartment.
19.00 hours. Adults and children went to apartments.
JTs daughter E*** was sick Russell O? Brien took turns to stay
with E***. JT went to Tapas restaurant at 20.30 hours.
McCanns were there when JT arrived.
Russell Obrien arrived at Tapas restaurant as E*** was asleep,
this was around 21.00 hours.
The Paynes were late again.
Matthew Oldfield left the restaurant to chase up with the
Paynes. But met on the way at 21.00. Matthew Oldfield took the
opportunity to go and check on the children in the apartment.
Gerald McCann got up to check on the children at 21.10.
JT left the restaurant 5 to 10 minutes later to check on her own
daughters. On way to the apartment noticed Gerry McCann chatting
with Jez whom he had met playing tennis. JT did not speak with
either of them. One was on the pavement and the other on the
road. Jez was pushing a baby stroller. JT knew Jez had a young
child. JT took normal route to her apartment all doors to
apartment locked. JT said she did not look to see how the
windows and shutters were of the McCanns apartment. Could not
state if open or closed. JT returned to Tapas restaurant after
checking Gerry McCann already back at table.
After 15 to 20 minutes Russell Obrien and Matthew Oldfield left
table together to check Russell Obrien found E*** crying and
stayed with her. Matthew Oldfield checked on own children and
McCanns children. Matthew Oldfield said he saw twins but not
Madeleine but didnt enter the bedroom. Heard nothing and
returned to the table. Matthew Oldfield told JT that Russell
Obrien had stayed in apartment.
JT ate quickly left the table and went back to the apartment.
Russell Obrien returned to Tapas restaurant some time later.
Looked from apartment window to Tapas restaurant and saw that no
one from group were there. Was surprised by this, then hears
Kate Healy and Fiona Payne in front of apartment calling out for
Madeleine. When JT saw Kate Healy she said Madeleine had
disappeared. JT stayed in apartment due to E*** being asleep
E*** waked but did not go to McCanns apartment.
JT convinced that the man she saw carrying a child was involved
in the disappearance of Madeleine.
11.20 (sic) hours that means that Matthew Oldfield went to check
on McCanns, Madeleine was probably not in the bedroom. JT
believes Matthew Oldfield did not see this therefore didn?t go
fully into the bedroom. Asked why Matthew Oldfield did not do
his usual ?sound check? from outside the windows of McCanns
apartment, JT believes he went into their apartment this time
therefore he had assured the McCanns he would check inside this
time. In order to do this, Matthew Oldfield went along the
pavement outside the building, to the main entrance to the
apartment. Went into his apartment, checked, came out, returned
along pavement until he came to rear entrance of McCanns
apartment, went up their stairs and entered by sliding glass
door. But JT insists they ask Matthew Oldfield.
JT was confronted by information that the police technical team
could find no indication that Madeleine had passed the junction
where she indicated that a man had been carrying a girl in his
arms. JT stood by her original statement. At the time she gave
little importance to seeing this therefore common sight at Ocean
Club. But she did think it was strange that the child has a
blanket/sheet to cover it. Also that the man was walking
quickly. His trousers were slightly baggy all the way down.
Trousers were khaki, chino style. His coat/jacket was the same
colour anorak style. Shoes were slightly heeled.
The child was in the man's arms, with her legs in JTs
directions, and not wearing shoes. JT believed it was a girl
therefore her pyjamas were light coloured (pink). She did not
see the colour of her hair. She did not see her move or make a
sound. She believed she was asleep.
Subsequently she had us doubt it was Madeleine. This was after
she had spoken with Fiona Payne who had described Madeleines
pyjamas. Asked why she did not tell Kate Healy that night about
this sighting, JT said she always avoided mentioning it to the
McCanns therefore she didn't want to increase their suffering.
Asked who has made first booking at Tapas restaurant (May 1st
she believes) there were 2 couples possibly English who were at
dinner. One of the Mark Warner staff commented that she had
never seen them before and they left before the end of the
Asked who had made the first booking at Tapas, JT did not know.
Also doesnt know anyone by the name of ?Irwin? and no one of
this name having dinner with them. Apart from Jane, only Matthew
Oldfield was sick and he missed dinner on Sunday.
JT also mentioned that the Paynes had a radio monitoring system.
So they did not have to leave the table to check their children.
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